[FFmpeg-devel] Files crashing FFmpeg

[compn]

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:30:09 +0100, Diego Biurrun wrote:
>On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 04:44:45AM -0800, Jason Garrett-Glaser wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Diego Biurrun <diego at biurrun.de> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:39:01PM -0800, Jason Garrett-Glaser wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:09 AM, compn <tempn at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:54:29 -0800, Mike Melanson wrote:
>> >> >>Benjamin Larsson wrote:
>> >> >>> This list http://tranquillity.ath.cx/ffmpeg_crashfiles.txt contains
>> >> >>> links to files that crashes a FFmpeg version from 2007. Can anyone come
>> >> >>> up with a good tool so we can run through and check all these files ?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This list was donated by Picsearch.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Do we have the project budget to send them a nice fruit basket for the
>> >> >>holidays? This is some good stuff. It would be nice if some other
>> >> >>organizations that automatically process millions of diverse files with
>> >> >>FFmpeg could throw some problem files our way.
>> >> >
>> >> > it would be nice of youtube to send some changes back our way too...
>> >>
>> >> From a talk I had with the Google engineer who runs the Youtube
>> >> encoding chain a few days ago, it seems Google's official policy is
>> >> that they're not allowed to publicly admit that they use open source
>> >> products such as ffmpeg (!!).
>> >
>> > What is the reason he gave for this nonsensical attitude?  Google uses
>> > open source all over in other places and employs a multitude of central
>> > open source devs...
>> 
>> There were a number of excuses he tried to make for this.  (all quotes
>> aren't actual quotes)
>> 
>> The primary one was that of patents, with regards to x264: "we
>> shouldn't publicly state we are using x264 because then people might
>> go after you for patent reasons."  There is some glimpse of reason to
>> this, as x264 is a rather small project that hasn't gotten takedown
>> threats just yet.
>
>The only case where this ever happened was libdts.  But the entity to go
>after x264 would be the MPEG-LA.  They have not shown this kind of
>behavior in the past 10 years or so, I do not expect they will in the
>future.

i wonder what happened to libvp62 ....

>Also note that none of the attempts to take down open source projects
>like this have ever been successful.
>
>> But then I asked him "well than what about ffmpeg?  Do you seriously
>> expect that companies would be more likely to go after ffmpeg for
>> patent infringement because Google uses them?"
>> 
>> And he responded that "competitors to Google [e.g. Microsoft] might
>> choose to go after ffmpeg to try to 'get at google'".
>
>Complete nonsense of course.  Microsoft could also try to go after Linux
>to 'get at Google'.  Or after a ton of other projects where Google has
>not problem admitting they use them...
>
>> Yes, the reasoning is complete horseshit, but apparently they're hard
>> and fast on not making any public statement on using open source
>> software.  This is of course hilarious irony given Summer of Code and
>> other such programs Google runs.  By the way, the conversation began
>> when I asked him about the possibility of giving some credit to ffmpeg
>> and x264 (perhaps in some About section somewhere on the Youtube
>> site).
>
>Well, we can turn the tables around and expose that they do use FFmpeg
>and x264, together with some proof if need be.  That should settle these
>silly matters of secrecy.

maybe someone could visit a google headquarters and talk to a human.

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-compn