[FFmpeg-devel] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: ancient avi compatibility? (was: vintage avi type 1...)

Michael Niedermayer michaelni at gmx.at
Sat Jan 25 18:39:50 CET 2014

On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 04:09:26PM +0000, u-owvm at aetey.se wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 03:42:14PM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > What I am looking for is the pre-1996 avi format without extensions.
> > > 
> > > (I was referring to "AVI 2.0" which Wikipedia says the format is called
> > > with the extensions, so I assumed that the former format would be called
> > > "AVI 1.x")
> > 
> > what is the difference or rather which things that we write / dont
> > write cause a problem ?
> I do not know exactly, it is a matter of observation: a program which
> is happily playing samples from http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/V-codecs/CVID/
> becomes unhappy with corresponding avi files produced by ffmpeg by
> "-c:v copy" avi to avi (or generated by ffmpeg).
> It is a DOS program from 1998 which seems to go looping when given a
> "modern" avi file.
> (http://www.multimediaware.com/qv/dnreal.htm)
> I wonder if ffmpeg can produce avi files without OpenDML extensions
> which is probably what is making the difference for the old program.
> > and where is the spec for the old format ?
> According to http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=AVI
> there is
>  http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms779636%28VS.85%29.aspx
> and
>  http://www.alexander-noe.com/video/documentation/avi.pdf
> the latter looking more useful.
> > also, i have a bad feeling about using wikipedia as reference here
> At that moment I did not new any better.
> > and opendml AVI had its first release 1995 not 1996 according to the
> > opendml spec if thats what you refer to by AVI 2.0
> The pdf mentioned above states that the OpenDML extensions are dated
> 28/02/1996 as version 1.02. The version before this is called there
> "1.0".
> This is otherwise a non-issue, the old video players are far from being
> critical. The "pro" 32-bit version of the same program released 2007
> can play ffmpeg's avi files just fine.

> On the other side, why not let an owner of a 286 play videos on it? :)

sure, if someone wants to add and maintain support for it ...

to come back to the original question, as i dont know which part
causes problems for the old player, i cannot comment on if old ffmpeg
versions supported something else

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