[FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH] News: Removal of libndi

[Ronald S. Bultje]

Hi,

On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 11:03 AM Thilo Borgmann <thilo.borgmann at mail.de>
wrote:

> Am 21.03.19 um 11:55 schrieb Michael Niedermayer:
> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 05:41:31PM -0400, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Gyan <ffmpeg at gyani.pro> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 21-03-2019 01:32 AM, Marton Balint wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, at 20:52, Marton Balint wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, at 19:34, Marton Balint wrote:
> >>>>>>>> As I described in similar threads before, whether or not the
> >>>>>> project want >> closed source support for NDI is a subjective issue,
> >>>>>> please start a vote >> about the removal of libndi if you want to
> >>>>>> seek this through.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The removal of libndi is actually done and committed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That is just sad an unfair.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sad, maybe.
> >>>>> Unfair, I disagree. If NDI wants to be in, they know what to do.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is unfair towards the people who expressied disapproval, yet this
> >>>> change was committed without neither vote nor consensus.
> >>>
> >>> +1. This was a political decision, not a technical one. A formal(-ish)
> >>> survey should have happened on the ML.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I agree we need a formal vote on this. I would like to set a wider
> project
> >> policy w.r.t. closed-source software integration, this is just one
> instance
> >> of a more general issue.
>
> > I think there should have been a vote before pushing a commit as there
> where
> > FFmpeg developers objecting to it.
> > Ignoring people causes nothing good. Had there been a vote people would
> be
> > alot less upset about it as everyones oppinion would be counted equally
> >
> > It makes me unhappy that one FFmpeg developer apparently decided to leave
> > the project already because of this.
> > I think we should fix this, make a proper policy, with a proper vote
> > and then hopefully noone feels the need to leave.
>
> +1
>
> >>
> >> Who wants to organize it?
> >
> > Thilo organized the last vote, maybe he wants to do it ?
> > but if noone else wants to do it i can do one too if people want and
> > there is consensus who can vote
> > If i search for "open source vote free" on google it points to
> > vote.heliosvoting.org as first hit
> > this seems rather basic but for simple yes/no questions it could work
> > maybe someone has a better suggestion we could use for more complex
> future
> > cases that is multiple choice votes in teh future (schulze STV / CPO-STV
> > for multiwinner or ScottishSTV (used by SPI), schulze method (used by
> debian)
> > for one winner of N choices would be nice to have)
>
> Including for simple yes/no votes we can use the same LimeSurvey host we
> got provided from KDE for the survey. Also for anonymous votes.


I think what we have to figure out is whether we want to ask:

- do we want to keep (or remove) NDI?

or

- do we want to keep any components requiring linking with non-system,
closed-source software? (this might or might not include blackmagic)

or some other variant that also includes system software like nvidia stuff?
Or ask a simple yes/no for each component separately? (Although that
wouldn't set a more general policy.)

Ronald