[FFmpeg-devel] [ANNOUNCE] upcoming vote: extra members for GA

[James Almer]

On 11/11/2023 3:02 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 6:29 PM Michael Niedermayer <michael at niedermayer.cc>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 12:06:03AM -0300, James Almer wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2023 11:24 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 11:58:29PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023, at 23:49, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 08:30:15PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Kempf
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023, at 19:15, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 09, 2023 at 07:53:33PM +0200, Rémi Denis-Courmont
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le torstaina 9. marraskuuta 2023, 19.41.53 EET Michael
>> Niedermayer a écrit :
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>> If you think some people should be added, as far as I am
>> concerned, you are of
>>>>>>>>> course welcome to nudge them via private message to friendly
>> remind them that
>>>>>>>>> they can nominate themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> so what i will do then is
>>>>>>>> If a developer was in the GA before || are just under the
>> threshold but
>>>>>>>> active || are part of the infra teams and packaging
>>>>>>>> i will leave them in the list to be added (that is also what
>> jb suggested)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, this seems reasonable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will contact them and ask if they want to be in the GA and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should contact who you want, or think is necessary.
>>>>>>> But they should step forward and say so publicly that they are
>> candidates.
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Also, at that time, I did not bring a list of 20 candidates who are,
>> for the most part, inactive.
>>>>> While asking "trust me, I will get their approval in private, but
>> they will not speak on the mailing list".
>>>>
>>>> ok, maybe we should just slow down a bit delay the vote by a few days
>> and
>>>> discuss this to reduce peoples anxiety? :)
>>>>
>>
>>>> Lets take a step back and look at what i suggested and discuss this a
>> bit first
>>>> I also have to say that this looks a bit like Xenophobia to me to be
>> honest.
>>>
>>> How did you even get to that conclusion?
>>
>> There was a swift and defensive reaction from multiple people when
>> i suggested to nominate several of the main authors of FFmpeg to the GA.
>> (Who many people have had no contact with for many years and many probably
>>   never had)
>>
>> People who interact regularly even if they dont like each other dont react
>> that way.
>> ive over the last decades seen this behavior commonly occur when one group
>> is
>> confronted with the potential introduction to their territory of another
>> group
>> they have had little recent contact.
>>
>> This seems a fundamental, unconcious and instinctive reaction humans have.
>> I called it Xenophobia, cuz it seemed like a similar concept.
>>
>> Do you disagree ? (not about the term but this sort of behavior is
>> happening)
>>
> 
> Do not try to input your projections onto us.
> 
> There is no point to infiltrate your spies into community.

You're throwing more fuel to the fire. Your email would have been fine 
without this line. I asked you to tone things down and you go and write 
this.

> Only people that give work to project can vote for project future, no
> people that left project.

If someone nominates them, and said nomination is accepted, then they 
can participate. But if they left, it's likely that they don't want to 
participate to begin with.