[FFmpeg-devel] Fwd: Your message to ffmpeg-devel awaits moderator approval

[Anton Khirnov]

Quoting James Almer (2024-12-19 14:04:53)
> On 12/19/2024 6:34 AM, Anton Khirnov wrote:
> > Quoting Kieran Kunhya via ffmpeg-devel (2024-12-19 09:58:14)
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> My messages are being blocked on the mailing list. How is this fair that
> >> one person can unilaterally decide this?
> > 
> > This also happened to one mail I sent a few weeks ago. I thought it was
> > a thread block put in place by CC, but a CC member confirmed to me
> > recently this was not the case.
> 
> Which mail? I added rules to block two threads as notified publicly by 
> Ronald since said threads were too heated.

The mail never got to the ML, I am pasting it below. It was in the
thread:
"Discussion about mails from 9 years ago Was: [PATCH 1/2] doc/community: Add a standard set of rules for software development mailing lists"

I saw no announcement of any CC action related to that thread.

> > 
> > Indirect evidence points towards compn adding the block in both cases.
> > IMO it's utterly unacceptable that a random unelected person (not even a
> > part of GA at that) just unilaterally decides to usurp CC powers and
> > censor the ML.
> > 
> > CCing root - I request that ML moderator privileges are removed from
> > everyone who does not have a legitimate reason to have them (that is
> > server administrators and CC members). I further request that ONLY CC
> > members engage in actual moderation (besides approving mails from
> > non-subscribed people).
> 
> I have no idea who added the rule for "upcoming vote", but i just 
> removed it.

The reasons I think it was compn are:
* he replied to email contents in a private IRC message (which btw I
  consider another major abuse of moderator powers)
* he mentioned having ML mod access on ML
* his CC candidacy email mentions preemptive ML censoring
But we do not have to speculate, the person who did it can just say so.

Either way, I believe there should be clarity about who has ML moderator
powers and what they can use them for.

The email mentioned above:
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Quoting compn (2024-11-24 21:51:08)
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 20:09:43 +0100
> Michael Niedermayer <michael at niedermayer.cc> wrote:
>
> > less than 2 weeks ago the founder was insulted like this:
> > "Fabrice's control of ffmpeg.org and French trademark, despite not havign contributed
> >  in 20 years, purely for ego reasons mean we can never move to a truly community run set or project infra."
> >
> > And we can probably go on and on.
> > On top of this i would not be surprised if other people have similar stories
> > from yet others they spoke with.
>
> a non-ff developer at vdd said i was "inactive for years". it
> makes me not want to visit vdd again. i reported them to the videolan
> board,

Saying someone seems inactive is a reportable offence now? Because you
do seem inactive to me. Before this VDD, the last email from you on the
ML sems to be from June 2018, that is over 6 years ago. You also have 3
commits in the last 10 years (of them zero in the last 7 years). You are
not in GA, any of the committees, or MAINTAINERS. The only mention of
you in infra is as IRC channel founder, yet I saw minimal activity from
you in #ffmpeg-devel until very recently.

So just why are you surprised or offended that someone considers you
inactive?

Also, as a counterpoint, consider the following perspective: some
person, whom I haven't seen contribute to the project in years, suddenly
appears out of nowhere and fills the ML with his opinions on how the
project should be run. What kind of an impression do you think that
creates?
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Anton Khirnov