[FFmpeg-user] Libav (Avconv) Imposition on Users who want FFmpeg

[miro.rovis at croatiafidelis.hr]

On 2014-04-23 14:56, Carl Eugen Hoyos wrote:
> <miro.rovis <at> croatiafidelis.hr> writes:
> 
>> I do understand the basic
>> difference btwn the two now incompatible projects
> 
> Could you elaborate?
> To the best of my knowledge, FFmpeg is a superset of
> avconv, so there should be no incompatibilities.
> 
>> that can't really be installed on a system together,
>> because they basically do the same  things, and one
>> don't coexist with the other.
> 
> Since that is done (or can be done) on Debian now, I
> (very much so) hope that you are not right;-)

I'm happy Debian has changed in their attitude! I'm not an
insider, just a passionate user of good and free (read GNU
and compatible) computing, and that probably results from
the huge page that you gave me:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729203
(among others), which I dedicated some time for, but not
enough to reache there. :-)

>> But. I don't get it. Does no one really care that
>> this other project is using "ffmpeg" in such
>> confusing way and then gets a lot of users that
>> otherwise would be using FFmpeg?
> 
> I really don't understand:
> Everybody here does care about it and many people do
> as much as they can about it - what do you think we
> should do (additionally)?

Well, I hope that Gentoo devs are reading this, and
now they won't conclude that FFmpeg people don't care.
But it would be great if some of the FFmpeg leaders or
if you have a board or council or somesuch, sent a request
that you want the name FFmpeg for FFmpeg so users are not
fooled like I was.

Such formal requests are never very easily disregarded, IIUC.

That was what I hoped for, and why I went public and invested
time and effort into it.

I love FFmpeg because it gave me soo much, I couldn't have
done my huge collection without it, and I was trying to give
back by pointing to the issue and hopefully initiating a
righting of this wrong!

Thank you, Carl! Thank you all you FFmpeg people. Pls keep up!
Keep free, keep GNU!

Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
www.CroatiaFidelis.hr

P.S. On another note. Do you know why I was confused, and why
other people certainly are, about libav, and why I thought, in
some of my previous posts in this thread that you made some
compromise with Libav?
Have a look at this page, but not pronto, no. First imagine
that you are you user visiting it first time, or that you heard
and even that you used both ffmpeg and avconv (now marketed as
Libav), but that you don't deal with it daily. OK. Now open
that page on ffmpeg's domain:

http://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo

Do you see:

Libav-user

list in bottom. I know the mimicry is theirs, and intentional, just
like all of their machinations, and I'm not saying much can be done,
but what could be done is: point out there on that page that that
is not the Avcon (now marketed Libav) which is, on Gentoo, not
compatible with FFmpeg, or something better and nicer and clearer.